Thread: Militant Atheism

Hi Lance, just heard this weeks podcast and I feel I need to comment regarding the my 2 cents question regarding atheists being too outspoken. Bullshit. Let me phrase this in a way you may identify with. America has vast resources, brilliant creative scientists and extraordinary imagination and vision . There is no reason America cannot lead the world to the stars and create a futuristic utopia, no famine no disease no poverty. Or is there? for every step forward you are dragged back into the past by the choke hold religion has on your country. The elite ruling few use religion to maintain the status quo in their favour, raping the wealth needed to fuel your great leap forward. How can we be happy if we are expected to treat women as inferior and gays as sub-human? I see this as a war, I despise religious establishments, I take every opportunity I get to inflict harm on them, if you want a better world stand up and be counted. Actively defend what you know is right. Oh and Lance, evolution is no longer a theory, it is an absolute fact, as sure as the world is round and orbiting the sun, its an indisputable water tight fact that would stand up in a court of law.

whimpering toothless chav, I think you're blaming religion for too much.

America isn't going to lead anybody anywhere because it's run by a corrupt banking elite with the help of corrupt governments.

The U.S. doesn't want to save the world any more than the Sharia land does - it just wants to suck out all the good stuff and then to hell with whatever's left.

Overpopulation is the main problem in the world and it's true that religion is responsible for a lot of that, but in the West religion is almost a spent force.

And evolution is a theory - show me where scientists have evolved a mammal out of a fish, or an insect out of a protozoa, and I'll accept it's a fact.

I wanted to weigh in on the 'theory' thing, you people are confused.

In general use, theory means an idea, untested, unproven. Such as: "I have a theory that every time I fart, somewhere, a monkey turns purple"

In science, that's called a hypothesis.

The word theory has a different meaning in science, than the one we commonly use it for.

A theory is a model made from a large collection of proven hypothesis'.
A theory will make predictions about phenomena, which can be tested and proved.

Thus, a scientific theory is a proven set of facts.

People have this notion that theories get promoted to laws when they're proven true - this is incorrect.

Laws and theories share the same status above the hypothesis.

Laws describe HOW things work: Newton's laws of motion

Theories describe WHY things work the way they do: Einstein's theory of gravity

Both laws and theories are made up of proven hypothesis'.

So don't be ignorant and say that evoloution isn't proven, it's been proven a hundred times over.

Well, watch what people do with dogs, flowers, vegetables, you can see how natural selection works by trying it yourself, its quite easy to understand the concept. The evidence is there and its impossible to ignore. I think you have been a little lazy Reich. Maybe overpopulation is a problem because the resources required to make the vast empty expanses of our planet more hospitable have been stifled by religion. My main motivation for undermining religion is that once Christianity is dead we can then get to work on the other religious diseases, we need to slaughter the beast of Islam and end child rape and the oppression of women, then we can tackle female circumcision in Africa and so on....

Originally Posted by AntiTankDog

I wanted to weigh in on the 'theory' thing, you people are confused.

In general use, theory means an idea, untested, unproven. Such as: "I have a theory that every time I fart, somewhere, a monkey turns purple"

In science, that's called a hypothesis.

The word theory has a different meaning in science, than the one we commonly use it for.

A theory is a model made from a large collection of proven hypothesis'.
A theory will make predictions about phenomena, which can be tested and proved.

Thus, a scientific theory is a proven set of facts.

People have this notion that theories get promoted to laws when they're proven true - this is incorrect.

Laws and theories share the same status above the hypothesis.

Laws describe HOW things work: Newton's laws of motion

Theories describe WHY things work the way they do: Einstein's theory of gravity

Both laws and theories are made up of proven hypothesis'.

So don't be ignorant and say that evoloution isn't proven, it's been proven a hundred times over.

You have gone up massively in my esteem ATD, thank you.

Originally Posted by AntiTankDog

So don't be ignorant and say that evoloution isn't proven, it's been proven a hundred times over.

No, it hasn't.

Originally Posted by BKBastard Kestrel

Well, watch what people do with dogs, flowers, vegetables

Yes, they can change one kind of dog into another kind of dog; or one kind of flower into another kind of flower.

Evolution is about how single-celled organisms evolved into fish, then lizards, then birds, then monkeys, then Africans, then white men.

I don't doubt for a minute that evolution works within a certain species to adapt it to its environment but that's different from going from an amoeba to a whale.

I never thought I'd see an evoloution debate in the S & W forum. I figured any degenerate who liked the show would be a card carrying atheist.

I'm weary of this debate.

I can't prove that God doesn't exist, but I can prove he doesn't give a shit.

Originally Posted by Reich

No, it hasn't.


Yes, they can change one kind of dog into another kind of dog; or one kind of flower into another kind of flower.

Evolution is about how single-celled organisms evolved into fish, then lizards, then birds, then monkeys, then Africans, then white men.

I don't doubt for a minute that evolution works within a certain species to adapt it to its environment but that's different from going from an amoeba to a whale.

Its been proven amonst people of a certain intellect, it will filter down to you eventually

Originally Posted by AntiTankDog

I can't prove that God doesn't exist, but I can prove he doesn't give a shit.

Your argument boils down to this: evolution is a more reasonable explanation of things than God.

I agree. I don't believe in God either.

But just because the theory of evolution sounds more rational and reasonable than divine creation doesn't constitute its proof.

Evolution is a man-made attempt to explain how things are. Just like religion and philosophy. Your blind faith in science (and borderline fanaticism in whimpering toothless chav's case) are the same as the blind faith and fanaticism of an unquestioning religious zealot.