Thread: Sanity prevails in England, I'm starting to like this government.

Shopkeeper, 72, will not face charges over florist raid death - Telegraph

Don't get yer hopes up. Its great news but the useless, numpty judges will soon go back to abnormality. I read today that shitloads of proposals have been dropped coz the lib dems don't agree with the tories harder line.

Originally Posted by BKBastard Kestrel

Shopkeeper, 72, will not face charges over florist raid death - Telegraph

News nowadays hardly never make me happy. This one did. Thank you!

And the moral of that story is "Don't fuck with 72 year old florists".

That guy would have never even been arrested in the US. Shooting an unarmed intruder who is inside your home will generally not get you into any trouble. If you're already inside, it's presumed you have nowhere else to retreat to. You can do about anything to defend yourself. If the intruder is armed, there will even less questions asked. Once outdoors, all bets are off. If you go inside to retrieve a firearm, come back out, and shoot someone in 'self defense', you'll have to explain why you didn't stay inside and call 911.

I live on country road where the houses are not on top of each other. If someone did attack the occupants of one house, their neighbors may or may not hear the sceams. Better to have a gun and not need it, than need one and not have it. I have a 12 gauge for hunting turkey, but most of the year it's in my closet, loaded with double 00 magnum, just in case.

Originally Posted by AntiTankDog

That guy would have never even been arrested in the US. Shooting an unarmed intruder who is inside your home will generally not get you into any trouble. If you're already inside, it's presumed you have nowhere else to retreat to. You can do about anything to defend yourself. If the intruder is armed, there will even less questions asked. Once outdoors, all bets are off. If you go inside to retrieve a firearm, come back out, and shoot someone in 'self defense', you'll have to explain why you didn't stay inside and call 911.

I live on country road where the houses are not on top of each other. If someone did attack the occupants of one house, their neighbors may or may not hear the sceams. Better to have a gun and not need it, than need one and not have it. I have a 12 gauge for hunting turkey, but most of the year it's in my closet, loaded with double 00 magnum, just in case.

In the Sharia land a person can be jailed for defending his family and property. We have something called reasonable force and that is the problem. Define reasonable!! Eg, a 15 yo kid breaks into your home. You have no idea who he is or his intentions so you beat the crap out of him with a cricket/baseball bat. I'm 35 so theres a good chance i would get sent down but if the victim was elderly then the chances are there would be no case to answer because it would be deemed reasonable that the elderly person could'nt defend himself with fists alone.
The best example of this was a few years back when a farmer called Tony Martin shot at 2 intruders in his property. He killed the younger one and injured the other. He was jailed for a number of years amid public outcry and to this day we still have reasonable force! Heres the sick bit, Mr Martin had called the cops numerous time about break ins on his farm but nothing was done. I'm pretty sure he was ordered to pay compo to the injured thief who was a career criminal and reoffended not long after this whole episode.

In Russia we've got all kinds of definitions for manslaughter and it's important if you wanna talk about self-defense. We've got involuntary slaughter, which occurred just yesterday. Two guys went to hunt a boar. They waited inside two different bushes for a few hours, then one of them decided to be funny and to approach the other dude making the the grunting sounds. The first guy thought WOAH FINALLY and shot the "boar" right in the head. The guy will get two years of suspended sentence.

Then another case. Two brothers drink vodka, then after 2 bottles start arguing about something. One of them grabs an axe and attacks the other one, who manages to grab a knife just in time. The first one launches an an axe attack from right to left. The samurai evades the attack Neo-style (by bending backwards). Then the barbarian launches a downward attack, but the samurai manages to catch his assailant's arm, who then drops the axe, being a drunk fuck. Finally catching a break, the samurai launches his own attack, stabbing his brother into the neck.

It was "necessary self-defense" right up until the moment the other guy dropped the axe. Then it suddenly became "exceeding self-defense", which is just 4-5 years of suspended sentence, anyway.

Then there's "causing death by carelessness". Happened a month ago, a dude started picking up another dude's chick. The offended dude is a Russian champion of some martial arts, he punches the other gentleman in the face real hard. The gentleman falls on the ground, hitting asphalt with his head real hard. He dies 2 days later.
Since the offended dude didn't cause the damage necessary for the gentleman to die (asphalt did), it was "causing death by carelessness", which is a few years of suspended sentence. But if it can be proven that his punch caused this damage, then it's "infliction of heavy corporal damage, leading to death", which is 2 to 8 years of colony.
And if the guy died before 24 hours after the inflicted damage, then it's MURDAH! - you get from 6 to 15 years.
But if the judge decides he was under "affect" (happens when you're very deeply offended, like when you catch a wife with a lover, for example), then it's 1 to 3 years of suspended or real sentence.

All that being said, protection of property doesn't fall under "self-defense" in Russia. If you catch a thief in your house, it's only okay to shoot him if he decides to attack you with a deadly weapon. If he's gonna attack you with his fists, shoot him in a leg, cause you're armed and he's not. That being said, if you shoot him in the head when he's got a fork, you get suspended sentence. But if he's fleeing, he's posing no danger to you, so just relax. If you're a tough guy, you can try and catch up with him to take back your possessions and if he attacks you, feel free to knock him out. If he's fleeing, but got a knife, let it go.

Another interesting point is that there's not law preventing you to burn a body. Happened recently. A group of chavs were drinking vodka at some chav's house. An argument led to a chav punching another chav in the face, knocking him out. Then they went on drinking, but then noticed that the knocked out gentleman is bleeding out of his nose and ears. So naturally, they engaged in a discourse, whether to call the ambulance or not. After half an hour, they noticed the gentleman passed away. So they took his body to some forest, cremated it and buried it.

Long story short, the body was found, the chavs were found, but the thing is... the chav who executed the punch says the gentleman got knocked out, but the punch wasn't heavy at all. The knocked out gentleman then vomited, because he was drunk, and then choked up on his own vomit.

And since the body is burned, it's impossible to prove that the punch caused the gentleman to die.

The morale here is simple, if you happen to kill somebody in Russia, just burn their body and then claim with a scared look "when he grabbed his chest and died, I got so SCARED, that I burned his body and buried it deep in the forest, I SWEAR, ON MY MOTHER'S HEAD!"